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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Aug 9, 2011 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

I've scanned three different articles but none of them say what started the rioting. Sooo.... what started the rioting?

TOOTMO

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Aug 9, 2011 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

Why? I wondered too.

My prayers, meditations & kind thoughts go out to British people.

If its in your heart, please, take a second from your day & offer up similar/same.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-london-riots-20110810,0,919931.story

What started as a peaceful protest against the police in a north London district of Tottenham, where officers had shot and killed a 29-year-old father of four in an anti-firearms operation, has turned into mob violence.

Flash riots struck first at neighboring districts in north London, but spread overnight Sunday to central Oxford Circus and southward to the multiethnic area of Brixton, which has been beginning to emerge from a dark past of race riots and social deprivation.

By Tuesday morning, growing crowds of marauders moved to the more wealthy areas of Clapham in south London and up to trendy Notting Hill, where they terrorized restaurants and trashed stores, and in the up-market west London borough of Ealing.

There now appear to be no social or geographical boundaries for groups of young people who use social networks to line up the next target, looting and burning their way through entire neighborhoods with the knowledge they can outrun police in heavy riot gear

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Aug 9, 2011 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

What scares me, besides people being violent and evil, which is an old fear, is that the UK government is doing this (from BBC):

"However, Scotland Yard has drafted in special constables and community support officers to ensure five times the usual number of officers for a Tuesday will be on duty. Similar staffing levels will be maintained over three days."

now, the idea of "community support officers" and "special constables" scares the crap out of me. Northern irish history tells us that these kind of para-police units basically become inverted versions of the IRA, committing what could be called government sanctioned terrorism "in defense of their homes."

In that Northern Irish example, the press and UK government told us that it was police v. terrorist criminals. Really it was government paramilitary groups v rebels.

now, these rioters are anything but freedom fighters, even (especially?) compared to the IRA, but civilians taking up arms turns south real quick. imagine if that shit started happening in florida? FIVE TIMES the number of normal active police??? lemme think that means the police will be outnumbered by civilians with weapons 4 to 1. I bet they aren't much training them if they need that many. in the US we'd call in the national guard... who are trained. The brits did that in the beginning of the NI troubles... this happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

So even highly trained PARATROOPERS lose their cool and start shooting people sometimes. what happens when you give riot control equipment to an angry, retaliatory populace?

I've got a baad feeling about this R2.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 9, 2011 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

This is just so cock-eyed and wrong headed I scarcely know where to begin. Special constables and community support officers are radically different from the Ulster Special Constabulary (the B specials), which was an armed militia set up to bolster the RUC during the Troubles. The CSOs are not armed and can't do much more than tell you off for dropping litter. Their role is to assist the regular police - they are not themselves police officers. The idea that they are agents of 'government sanctioned terrorism' is just utterly nonsensical. And your suggestion of 'riot control equipment' being handed over to 'an angry retaliatory populace' is simply idiotic.

You also need to recall that the police in this country do not routinely carry firearms, and neither do the non-criminal civilian population.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Aug 10, 2011 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

Tell you off for littering? We aren't dealing with litterers here and the london police know that....

But i was exagerating for effect. I really doubt much will come of it, I just don't like the english police. or press. They made criminals out of freedom fighters and terrorists out of men taking up arms to defend their right to freedom.

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Poster: WillCo Date: Aug 9, 2011 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

"There now appear to be no social or geographical boundaries for groups of young people who use social networks to line up the next target, looting and burning their way through entire neighborhoods with the knowledge they can outrun police in heavy riot gear" ((Jack O'Roses).

This might just be the beginning of the end for us all. These arseholes have devised a hugely successful method of destroying and stealing _everything_, _everywhere_.

It surprises me that they didn't start earlier; it'll be just amazing if civilized society can find a way to withstand this. Any suggestions?

It's too depressing, too depressing for words.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 9, 2011 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

"it'll be just amazing if civilized society can find a way to withstand this"

A bunch of disaffected teenagers with Blackberrys is hardly the Mongols at the gates Vienna is it? I'd hold off on deep-sixing the pension plan for a while.

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Poster: WillCo Date: Aug 9, 2011 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

Consider me reassured. God it'll be spooky if Vienna's next to fall ...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 9, 2011 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

Nice of you to offer the prayers and stuff but I rather think baton rounds, water cannon, big sticks and bigger dogs are much more likely to do the trick.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Aug 10, 2011 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

The police need to put away the rubber bullets, and get out the real ones.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 9, 2011 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

i blame the terrorists - haha

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 9, 2011 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

At least terrorists claim to have some sort of ideology. This is just bored young upstarts having a fine old time looting and smashing things up - nothing more that opportunistic thuggery.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDupenhagen Moonbat Date: Aug 9, 2011 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

O, yes, those awful young thugs. But let's not accuse the thugs in government and banking. Perish the (terrorist) thought!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 9, 2011 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

"Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 9, 2011 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

Yeah, but you still owe me a carpet

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 9, 2011 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

Is it being prepared to do the right thing? Whatever the price? Isn't that what makes a man?

Sure. That and a pair of testicles.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 9, 2011 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

It's a world of pain...

Where have you been, dude? Missed the easy way you get right to the pithy goodness.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 9, 2011 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

Troll repellent got the best of me and I stayed away for a bit. Lurking more and posting less.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 9, 2011 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: London

I admire your fortitude - some days I just don't know when to walk away.